[Sysops-list] call for help...

Wed Feb 7 11:12:43 NPT 2007

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ok... lets try this approach first as well.... if he is making
money..... REAL MONEY in lakhs (as it looks from his website) i doubt
he will be discouraged.

blocking their domain might be a solution right now. lets hope it
works as a permenant solution.

with regards,
-bipin
On 2/6/07, kp at ntc.net.np <kp at ntc.net.np> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I also agree that we can easily block the domain but regarding legal
> prosecution, I agree with Vicky that in our case that could hardly be a
> practical approach.
> The easiest and most effective thing we can do is to block their domain
> and make them come to us and them make them change their behavior.
> Regards,
> Krishna
>
>
> > Hi bipin,
> >
> > I am not quite sure how strong the case will be in our current laws and
> > what about the legal fees and stuff ?
> >
> > I think if all the ISPs agree to this, we can block this domain
> > entirely. His market base is in nepal if we start blacklisting his
> > domain all over nepal then his business model will fail.
> >
> > Maybe setup a RBL in Nepal where all ISPs use it. It can also have a
> > online spam reporting page and based on the hit ratio of a particular
> > email we can put it in RBL.
> >
> > Bipin Gautam wrote:
> >> Dear Vicky dai and all,
> >>
> >> Here is the plan if you guys are intrested...
> >> To begin with ISP's should log (archive) all emails with the email
> >> body containing those domain names. Or maybe write a Wireshark
> >> (Ethereal) rule in in another BOX for the above domain and start
> >> logging. The simplest solution could be connecting a HUB in between,
> >> before the CAT5 cable enters your mail server and joining another
> >> computer in the hub and  start sniffing in promiscuous mode from this
> >> another computer ( or think of some better solution for logging )
> >>
> >> After we get some certain hits (say 100 spam / day) in period of 2-3
> >> week we will do a simple statistic analysis of bandwith WASTED.
> >>
> >> here is an example:
> >> The standard cost for buying 1000 MB(1 GB) a month bandwith(by volume)
> >> would cost Rs. 3500.00 per month
> >>
> >> Assume: they have irritated us with 100000 emails so far (in period of
> >> 12 months)
> >> Bandwith cost per spam email ~= 3 kb
> >>
> >> then 100000 * 3 /1024 == 292.968 Gb bandwith wasted so far
> >>
> >> == 1025388 Rs ~ 10 lakhs in damage (atlest)
> >>
> >> Maybe he/she could also be charged under multiple charges like
> >> - mis-leading the users into criminal activity.
> >> - Misusing free services (hotmail, gmail, yahoo) for illigal purpose
> >>
> >> Few of us can testify about the volume of spam mails. I can work on
> >> digital forensics investigation.
> >>
> >> After initial logging is complete... and after fileing a complain (but
> >> before immidiate arrest) we could make a VIDEO TAPE infront of a
> >> police personal of calling to the OWNER(SPAMER) (pretending a
> >> potential advertiser) asking him passively about his business reach
> >> (how many users he has access to and can cover through advertisement),
> >> how long has he been in business, successful business he has
> >> previously done etc (which can be later held against him through voice
> >> analysis if he/she doesnt plead guilty)
> >>
> >> Nepal Police IT department could then make a seize of his digital
> >> devices and documents (we could teach them how to make the computer
> >> and computer media seize in forensically sound manner  through
> >> personal link ;) and later they could hire us to complete the digital
> >> forensic investigation.
> >>
> >> With the help of a lawyer we could then build up a strong case (as all
> >> personal info of the OWNER is already available) and maybe he/she will
> >> plead guilty and pay the damage.
> >>
> >> The return can be used to cover the costs and for planing further
> >> work/infrastructure in nepal  on digital forensic investigation on
> >> future. I personally think ISPN should take the initiative of
> >> requesting ISPs for the logging and later to file a complain.
> >>
> >> This case can really send a wakeup call to all others on issues
> >> regarding ETA and digital forensics which our government isnt really
> >> prepared for... yet.
> >>
> >> views???
> >>
> >> with regards,
> >> -bipin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/5/07, Vicky Shrestha <vickysh at wlink.com.np> wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I am also getting a lot of these emails lately and am very much
> >>> intimidated. It is also coming to my hotmail address.
> >>>
> >>> Last time I got spam from cafedewheels.com.np and I asked my ISP to
> >>> block that domain and later they complained that they have my address
> >>> in
> >>> the database and I subscribed. Do I have the time to waste to subscribe
> >>> for such idiotic emails ?
> >>>
> >>> We should definitely take actions against these emerging spammers.
> >>>
> >>> How do we proceed ?
> >>>
> >>> Bipin Gautam wrote:
> >>> > hello guys,
> >>> > the advertisement and marketing for from the following domain (it
> >>> > points to same owner)
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.maxonlinejob.com/
> >>> > http://max-online.biz/
> >>> >
> >>> > ...is just anoying me or everyone?
> >>> >
> >>> > Its a nepalese company in putalisadak, KTM (i suppose) and spaming
> >>> > our emails in name of e-marketing for over 6 months now. Its
> >>> promoting
> >>> > ignorant (which NOT EQUELS innocent) users to send us all (nepali
> >>> > online users) so called emails for marketing in volumes from online
> >>> > hotmail, yahoo, gmail accounts.
> >>> >
> >>> > Can someone (ISP/ISPs) please set a email filter to count how many
> >>> > JUNK messages they receive in a week time for the above domain ( in
> >>> > email body )
> >>> >
> >>> > we already have digital tranjection act in place. Somoeone (ISPN?)
> >>> > should work on sending a clear message regarding such activity...
> >>> > maybe fileing a lawsuit and see how NEPAL POLICE will procead/react
> >>> to
> >>> > it ( officially for the very first time) regarding a offence related
> >>> > to e-crime. I believe there are just few thousand junk mails
> >>> > circulating for the domain in every few days (not in regular basis)
> >>> > and mostly targeting hotmail, yahoo and gmail users. But this might
> >>> be
> >>> > a begining to a larger problem if not DISCOURAGED in time.
> >>> >
> >>> > anyone intrested? I can help you work on, on the technical part to
> >>> > create a LEGAL COMPLAIN LETTER with evidence.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > please forward this email to ISPN mailing list.
> >>> >
> >>> > -bipin
> >>> > ------to  the curious ones here is the sample of their spam mail-----
> >>> > Subject: Home Based Part time Online job,
> >>> >
> >>> > Looking for a Real Work At Home Job?
> >>> > Get paid For Completed Work..
> >>> > No More relying on commissions
> >>> > Would you like to earn money from home for completing various
> >>> clerical
> >>> > based
> >>> >
> >>> > projects and assignments from home?
> >>> > You are not required to sell, or recruit but are simply paid to type
> >>> ads
> >>> > and
> >>> >
> >>> > other media!
> >>> >
> >>> > Fillup the below information for further Information.
> >>> > Name :
> >>> > E-mail Address :
> >>> > Phone no:
> >>> >
> >>> > Call : 2390177 / 9841206820
> >>> > Check it out
> >>> > http://www.maxonlinejob.com/idevaffiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=1846
> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Vicky Shrestha
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Vicky Shrestha
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