[Sysops-list] call for help...

Tue Feb 6 17:23:34 NPT 2007

Hi all:

I had mentioned the issue to ISPAN few weeks back. I have reminded them
again and the issue will be one of the agendas in forthcoming ISPAN
executive committee meeting.

thanks,
aadish

On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 15:25 +0545, Vicky Shrestha wrote:

> Hi bipin,
> 
> I am not quite sure how strong the case will be in our current laws and 
> what about the legal fees and stuff ?
> 
> I think if all the ISPs agree to this, we can block this domain 
> entirely. His market base is in nepal if we start blacklisting his 
> domain all over nepal then his business model will fail.
> 
> Maybe setup a RBL in Nepal where all ISPs use it. It can also have a 
> online spam reporting page and based on the hit ratio of a particular 
> email we can put it in RBL.
> 
> Bipin Gautam wrote:
> > Dear Vicky dai and all,
> > 
> > Here is the plan if you guys are intrested...
> > To begin with ISP's should log (archive) all emails with the email
> > body containing those domain names. Or maybe write a Wireshark
> > (Ethereal) rule in in another BOX for the above domain and start
> > logging. The simplest solution could be connecting a HUB in between,
> > before the CAT5 cable enters your mail server and joining another
> > computer in the hub and  start sniffing in promiscuous mode from this
> > another computer ( or think of some better solution for logging )
> > 
> > After we get some certain hits (say 100 spam / day) in period of 2-3
> > week we will do a simple statistic analysis of bandwith WASTED.
> > 
> > here is an example:
> > The standard cost for buying 1000 MB(1 GB) a month bandwith(by volume)
> > would cost Rs. 3500.00 per month
> > 
> > Assume: they have irritated us with 100000 emails so far (in period of
> > 12 months)
> > Bandwith cost per spam email ~= 3 kb
> > 
> > then 100000 * 3 /1024 == 292.968 Gb bandwith wasted so far
> > 
> > == 1025388 Rs ~ 10 lakhs in damage (atlest)
> > 
> > Maybe he/she could also be charged under multiple charges like
> > - mis-leading the users into criminal activity.
> > - Misusing free services (hotmail, gmail, yahoo) for illigal purpose
> > 
> > Few of us can testify about the volume of spam mails. I can work on
> > digital forensics investigation.
> > 
> > After initial logging is complete... and after fileing a complain (but
> > before immidiate arrest) we could make a VIDEO TAPE infront of a
> > police personal of calling to the OWNER(SPAMER) (pretending a
> > potential advertiser) asking him passively about his business reach
> > (how many users he has access to and can cover through advertisement),
> > how long has he been in business, successful business he has
> > previously done etc (which can be later held against him through voice
> > analysis if he/she doesnt plead guilty)
> > 
> > Nepal Police IT department could then make a seize of his digital
> > devices and documents (we could teach them how to make the computer
> > and computer media seize in forensically sound manner  through
> > personal link ;) and later they could hire us to complete the digital
> > forensic investigation.
> > 
> > With the help of a lawyer we could then build up a strong case (as all
> > personal info of the OWNER is already available) and maybe he/she will
> > plead guilty and pay the damage.
> > 
> > The return can be used to cover the costs and for planing further
> > work/infrastructure in nepal  on digital forensic investigation on
> > future. I personally think ISPN should take the initiative of
> > requesting ISPs for the logging and later to file a complain.
> > 
> > This case can really send a wakeup call to all others on issues
> > regarding ETA and digital forensics which our government isnt really
> > prepared for... yet.
> > 
> > views???
> > 
> > with regards,
> > -bipin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 2/5/07, Vicky Shrestha <vickysh at wlink.com.np> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am also getting a lot of these emails lately and am very much
> >> intimidated. It is also coming to my hotmail address.
> >>
> >> Last time I got spam from cafedewheels.com.np and I asked my ISP to
> >> block that domain and later they complained that they have my address in
> >> the database and I subscribed. Do I have the time to waste to subscribe
> >> for such idiotic emails ?
> >>
> >> We should definitely take actions against these emerging spammers.
> >>
> >> How do we proceed ?
> >>
> >> Bipin Gautam wrote:
> >> > hello guys,
> >> > the advertisement and marketing for from the following domain (it
> >> > points to same owner)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.maxonlinejob.com/
> >> > http://max-online.biz/
> >> >
> >> > ...is just anoying me or everyone?
> >> >
> >> > Its a nepalese company in putalisadak, KTM (i suppose) and spaming
> >> > our emails in name of e-marketing for over 6 months now. Its promoting
> >> > ignorant (which NOT EQUELS innocent) users to send us all (nepali
> >> > online users) so called emails for marketing in volumes from online
> >> > hotmail, yahoo, gmail accounts.
> >> >
> >> > Can someone (ISP/ISPs) please set a email filter to count how many
> >> > JUNK messages they receive in a week time for the above domain ( in
> >> > email body )
> >> >
> >> > we already have digital tranjection act in place. Somoeone (ISPN?)
> >> > should work on sending a clear message regarding such activity...
> >> > maybe fileing a lawsuit and see how NEPAL POLICE will procead/react to
> >> > it ( officially for the very first time) regarding a offence related
> >> > to e-crime. I believe there are just few thousand junk mails
> >> > circulating for the domain in every few days (not in regular basis)
> >> > and mostly targeting hotmail, yahoo and gmail users. But this might be
> >> > a begining to a larger problem if not DISCOURAGED in time.
> >> >
> >> > anyone intrested? I can help you work on, on the technical part to
> >> > create a LEGAL COMPLAIN LETTER with evidence.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > please forward this email to ISPN mailing list.
> >> >
> >> > -bipin
> >> > ------to  the curious ones here is the sample of their spam mail-----
> >> > Subject: Home Based Part time Online job,
> >> >
> >> > Looking for a Real Work At Home Job?
> >> > Get paid For Completed Work..
> >> > No More relying on commissions
> >> > Would you like to earn money from home for completing various clerical
> >> > based
> >> >
> >> > projects and assignments from home?
> >> > You are not required to sell, or recruit but are simply paid to type 
> >> ads
> >> > and
> >> >
> >> > other media!
> >> >
> >> > Fillup the below information for further Information.
> >> > Name :
> >> > E-mail Address :
> >> > Phone no:
> >> >
> >> > Call : 2390177 / 9841206820
> >> > Check it out
> >> > http://www.maxonlinejob.com/idevaffiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=1846
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Vicky Shrestha
> >>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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